[PnP] Re: Weapon and Armor making

Choinski, Burton Burton.Choinski at matrixone.com
Fri Oct 6 17:58:39 CEST 2006

Here is the current sheet.  Comments welcome.


You may notice some armor changes.  Ringmail is no longer a separate suit (by definition the rings are sewn on)

Bezainted is similar except that metal disks are rivited on instead of  rings.


I was thinking of marking Ringed leather as 2 (1) for AV (paren applies on piercing hits, like spears, arrows, lances, pikes).  Bezainted is straight 2 AV


To make the other armors work, Jaz (scale) is 3 (2) AV (paren applies on deadly or severe hits) – Jaz is better at the normal glancing blows.  Brigandine (scale coated in cloth) is pure 3AV


Chain is 4 (2) AV (paren applies to piercing attacks), plate mail is pure 4, plate armor is pure 5.




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From: pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl [mailto:pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Choinski, Burton
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:04 PM
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Subject: RE: [PnP] Re: Weapon and Armor making


I'm going to try tweaking the bow cost to see if I can get this within reason.  Harn had longbow prices pretty dark cheap (going with the "broadsword" standard) about 25% of broadsword.  Gurps places it at about 33% broadsword.  Runequest is tricky, being 39% in the wilds (where metal weapons are scarese) to 233% in cities.

I would rate Harn's and Gurps research over the old runequest prices.  Harn's creation time of 18h for a longbow/12h for a shortbow jives with your account, so I would gamble on the Harnic research being pretty close.

I'll have to play with the numbers, but there is no way to economically justify bow prices.  I can buy it as an attempt to balance via prices the effect of ranged weapons ove melee, but such deterants have no effect on well funded elder characters and just serve to whack the economics.

I'll fire off my latest save of my weapons tweaking chart tomorrow and you can play with it.

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From: pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl on behalf of Scott Adams
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>Going with this, it take a P&P Bowyer (at 1GC/month) pretty much a month to make a bow (282 hours) -- about twice as long as it takes to craft a broadsword.  However, sources I have seen have this at MUCH less (from 2h for a master bowyer on one site, to 18h as noted in Harn).  Still digging, including a query to a manufacturer of traditional longbows.
A month for a bow?!  Wow.  I read somewhere once that a plains indian could do one in 2 days and he had chores to do.  Course I guess one is better than the others.  I'd say a month is good for a arbalest but a simple bow and string?  Hrm....this whole topic though I'd have to have time to sit down and analyze. 

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