<div dir="ltr"><div>I agree that Eloquence is very under used in the formulas for PnP. Using the definition from the books and </div><div><br></div><div>Dave:<br>Eloquence - A Character’s mental dexterity. It can be viewed as his ability to think quickly. Problems that require a person to be convincing in interpersonal relations, think quickly or respond with mental rapidity require Eloquence. </div><div><br></div><div>\Magic users and magic should be more affected by eloquence. All the other mental attributes matter, but Eloquence doesn't? Hmm But speed of mind is very important! It prevents errors, corrects errors faster. and so much more. The thinking is while the users main attributes aren't changed, the person can apply what they have better, faster, and handle changes easier. </div><div><br></div><div>Some possibilities here - <br></div><div><br></div><div>1. Increase in casting speed. Increase the Magic User's base Casting speed by their <br> (EB / 3) RD or (EB / 2) RD Either would make a small but noticeable difference and reason to have a good Eloquence.<br> A. This is the one that I think makes great sense. I would use the (EB/2)RD for the addition to Casting Speed. <br></div><div><br></div><div>2. Increase the Max EL of spells. This is the ability to apply their other mental characteristicsin a better, faster, and more effective manner.<br> Increase Spell Max EL by (EB /2)RU or (EB/3) RU Either work for this too.</div><div><br></div><div>I had 2 military based skills, and one used Elquence as the driver. the two skills were Strategy and Small Unit Tactics. Small Unit Tactics had El as an attribute. <br></div><div><br></div><div>For Dagger, I noticed that. Kell should be a dagger user... anyways. That fits, as the dagger is small and reactive. There could be other skills too, but not so many of the physical skills. Most mental skills could be affected. Playing strategy and military games, the ability to think fast is very useful!</div><div><br></div><div>Those are my thoughts. The PDF is excellent so far, I am 130 pages into it. There was one "cam" that should be a "can" and a PDF reference that wasn't right. I'll add those to a list and send.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 9:38 AM, David Sanders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dasandersx@comcast.net" target="_blank">dasandersx@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hmmm...Eloquence is also speed of mind...so maybe it applies in a knife fight.</div><div id="m_7373018735940488160AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_7373018735940488160AppleMailSignature">
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<p><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'CourierNewPS';font-weight:700">Eloquence - </span><span style="font-size:11.000000pt;font-family:'CourierNewPSMT'">A Character’s mental dexterity. It can be viewed as his
ability to think quickly. Problems that require a person to be
convincing in interpersonal relations, think quickly or respond with
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</div><div id="m_7373018735940488160AppleMailSignature">I often think this attribute is under appreciated.</div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> Wout Broere <<a href="mailto:broere@powersandperils.org" target="_blank">broere@powersandperils.org</a>><br><b>Date:</b> November 23, 2016 at 11:05:39 PM PST<br><b>To:</b> David Sanders <<a href="mailto:dasandersx@comcast.net" target="_blank">dasandersx@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [pnpgm] Stuff...and stuff...</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> <a href="mailto:broere@powersandperils.org" target="_blank">broere@powersandperils.org</a><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Thanks.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The EB for Fighting Dagger skill is not a typo. It may be something that we decide to change to AB as that makes more sense, but this change was introduced by Richard in his last edit oof Book I.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I wondered about it as well when compiling the books, but decided to leave it in for now. Would like your opinion on this.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Wout</span><div><div class="h5"><br><span></span><br><span>On 24-11-16 05:13, David Sanders wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>There are several edits needed but not a lot.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>One that I remember is that fighting dagger max EL is listed as (St+D)/10+EB. EB...? Is that like a taunting bonus...?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think it was supposed to be AB.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dave.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ps...I look thru it some more. Lots to do already.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:53 AM, pnpgm <<a href="mailto:pnpgm@comcast.net" target="_blank">pnpgm@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> * Wout's pdf:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Wout did a great pdf of the entire rules over 400 pages.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> It is not online his website yet. But Wout gives permission</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> for review of it. So here is the URL. For those who have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> ipads and such who can look at it during off times that would</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> be great. Please report typos and issues to him. He plans</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> to put it online Xmas time on his site. So have a few weeks.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/books/ver5/Powers%20and%20Perils%20V2.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.powersandperils.<wbr>org/books/ver5/Powers%20and%<wbr>20Perils%20V2.pdf</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> If you decide to beta test and proof it let Wout know and if you</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> appreciate it let him know as well. I think the work is great</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> but you know me - old fashioned like text - so not a major</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> pdf fan but its a nice piece of work.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> * Ship project:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Speaking of projects some of you know I've been working</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> on my Ship Project for many years. Frankly due to time and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> free time its been lacking. The major issue was Construction</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> using a formula I was happy. I seem to have solved that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> a few months ago. So I've been trying to work on it when</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I can.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I already have 20 files completed on various topics. At least</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1.3 megs of info already. Once I finish Construction, War</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> should go fast. Then I can finally be done and move onto other</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> projects. My thing is if you wan tot help beta test the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> project let me know. I know David is already interested but</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I figure I'll ask more...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> * Lethality Rule</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> As the Veterans know I've increased the difficulty for things</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> and added rules to balance the high level aspect of some pcs.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> As a result in cleaning up things I re-found the Lethality Table.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I kind of like it. So effective next month we'll be using that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> rule. Notice I said not now as this next encounter will be a major</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> bear so I don't want folks dying. But the table should be on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> the website on the above pdf.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> * Next Encounter</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> This coming update will have a encounter as GM I've not run.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> This is a v2 thing so its been in game since mid-90s? But this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> is first time I run it. As a result the players all of them</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> have no clue what this 'thing' is. As players you may figure</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> it out and can read on it. That is a bit unfair to you but</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> as characters NONE know this thing. Just a FYI if things go bad</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> this is not personal. I randomize things.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> D12 for Encounter hour time (day/night)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> D12x2 for Sentries (12 characters).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Only change I'd do is if 2 new players I'd reroll as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 2 sentries in this hostile are is needed and 1 old and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1 new person to be fair (since old may not trust new).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> So this will be random victims or targets only. 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