More OOC:<br><br>You may be right although I was guessing that it was either junk rigged or lateen rigged but unlikely to be square rigged. The only sailing vessel of any size that I have ever seen up close was a circa 1600 ship called the Dove. (addresses below if you want to look at it) I think its about half the size of the boat were on. I think that to do things like furl sails (I believe it involves a lot of tying and untying) they would lock there legs in the rigging and then use both hands to work. Ive never seen anything that shows how they used bows while in the rigging. <br>
<br>From a game mechanics perspective the only comparable the thing I found was mounted archery which had a 0 modifier while stationary and a 10 modifier while charging. I was hoping that it was going to give a wider range of movement modifiers. I haven't checked the version 2 rules yet. For my own opinion I think I would rather be on a moving ship than a stationer horse if the water is calm but if the water is rough I think it would be more difficult than on a charging horse. <br>
<br>The only time I was ever on the water where the swells where higher than the deck of the fishing boat we were on I cant imagine trying to hit another boat with an arrow. If the other boat were more than a few hundred feet away you wouldn't have been able to see anything but the top of the mast (at least while in the trough) and these were gentle swells. Obviously I'm no seaman. I'm sure that navel battles must have been conducted under less than ideal conditions but I'm guessing that both sides just have to deal with the fact that every action will just take 2 to 10 times as long depending on how bad the conditions. If the seas were really rough then I'm beating that they all would be more focused on surviving than fighting. <br>
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Schnockel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dasandersx@comcast.net" target="_blank">dasandersx@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The technology of the naval capacity here is at the
trireme level.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The ship we are on is a merchant ship...and with
very little rigging...it wouldn't be like a pirates of the carribean ship.
Also, to be in the rigging, shooting, would require good footing, one arm
wrapped around the rigging, and holding the bow, and the other one free to draw
and fire.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The combats at this level tened to be deck to
deck...heck, they'd mostly be oar-drawn fighting ships...much faster than a
merchant...</font></div>
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<div><br></div>OOC Continued: In thinking more about the doge and cover
issue I think I both agree and disagree. <br><br> While I'm not sure what
the effect would be on dodging. The people I have seen who are
proficient at working in the rigging move pretty well but I'm not sure what it
would be like if the were trying to dodge something, but they do have cover a
mast is bigger than a telephone pole and if you were standing behind a
telephone pole you would have pretty good cover . That said I think of
the photos of civil war sniper who had excellent cover and was a probably a
better shot than most of those shooting at him but while he may have fired a
dozen shots he was fired on several hundred times and hit once. So he
may have hit half of his targets but he may have been the only target for a
battalion and they only had to hit him once. <br><br> In terms of game
mechanics while the GM may asses a penalty (though I think it would be
difficult because of historical precedent) for being in the rigging but even
if he did it would probably be worth it since from that location he could hit
targets such as a captain or pilot (which could change the outcome of the
battle). These targets would have to much cover otherwise. There
cover would include the side of the ship those lining the railings those
firing volley fire (ie indirect fire) as well as masts rigging ships wheel
etc. each of these layers of cover would effectively double or possibly even
quadruple the range there is also a -5 modifier for firring from above.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM, John Stowman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnstowman@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnstowman@gmail.com</a>></span>
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You do know that the normal place that archers were placed during the age of
sailing ships was in the rigging. They were a target but it was also
the best place for a sharpshooter to pick off the high value targets during
ship broadsides. During the early days of black powder guns the long
bow was much more accurate and so the best archer (long bowman in the case
of the English) got the job as late as I believe the 1700s. He would
be a sitting duck but there may be ways to modify that.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Schnockel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dasandersx@comcast.net" target="_blank">dasandersx@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Kiet says, "Rigging is far too 'loose' for
archery...it's a poor stability platform...plus it makes the man on it a
sitting duck. He can be easily picked off as he cannot dodge at
all."</font></div>
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<div>Will looks the length of the ship and up to the rigging and says "
having an archer or two in the rigging would be a
start"<br><br></div></div></div>
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