[pnpgm] Game Update #57 - File #435- Up to Z'leyra to decide now

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   HT     Player        DS    Character Name    Type    Status/Notes  Sex
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   R1.John Haight.......HY..Arawn.............Druid  .Normal/Alfar .. Ma
   --.Tobie Bonahoom....YY..Fremea............Sidh....Normal/Faerry.. Fe
   R3.Mark Murtha.......HN..Kell..............Trader..Normal/Human....Ma
W2R2.David Sanders.....HN..Kiet.Sunan........Acrobat Normal/Human  ..Ma
   R4.Wout Broere.......YY..Unali.............Ninja...Normal/Human  ..Fe
   R3 Panthera..............Pyandalgor........Hunter..Normal/Human....Ma
W3R4.Alex Koponen......YY..Z'leyra...........Healer..Normal/Human  ..Fe
   --.Fukishtu.NEwsome......Npc...............Chief...Normal/Human....Ma
   --.Lucria.Cegra..........Npc...............Hunter..Normal/Human....Ma
      Animals: Corona [Eagle] Z'leyra

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       Game Update #57 sequence (file #435)
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       [Recap]

         From Z'leyra: [Re: Actions]
           Z'leyra mentions that "I am skilled at making containers...
         GM: Ack.

         From Kell: [Re: Actions]
           Oh that is a neat skill to have!  If only Kell had that ability
           years ago, he may need to ask Z'leyra more about it.  "That is...

           If the group agrees, Kell will leave early to spend his free
           [IBT] time is his hometown.  Then everyone can meet up at the
           "Blue Eel", one of the best cheap inns in Ba'Ru.  Cheap meaning
           better prices than most, and definitely better quality than
           most.

           ----------------

           To Kiet, "We can find a good horse together!  But if we...
         GM: Ack.  If you do go to Ba'ru in IBT best bet is to teleport
             with Arawn/Unali (if she goes back) to Maren.  Then take
             a ship or ride fast to Ba'ru.  Will need to keep this
             detail in IBT.  Figure 2-3 hexes by boat.  There is  a road
             so that will speed up travel by 50%.  So if going by horse
             using R3 by road (17 hexes) at 29+0.5=44 miles per day.  Or
             340 miles will take 8 days of riding to get to Ba'ru.  Unless
             you stay at Cholchara city.  Then about 3 hexes from the
             Fort to Ba'ru.  So 1.5 days.  So that'd give you 4-5 days
             in Ba'ru before you meet group.  If by boat its 20 hexes
             or 400 miles so depending on winds 6-20 days of river
             travel.  This is only a guess though may take shorter
             with a good barge and such or using Damon's ship.  So
             keep this in mind if do so.  Or Just Ask Chion to take
             you to Ba'ru in a instant. :)  Can't recall if Kell knows
             Chion...

         From Kell: [Re: Actions]
           Kell wants to go through Ba'Ru.  Supplying will be cheaper and
           much more fun!  He can even be in the advance group going
           through Ba'Ru.

           With Z'leyra's bags, that covers the grain for all the horses.
           No wagons needed.
         GM: Ack. It does cover all?  Maybe I missed it then I saw
             only making 2 bags?  Anyways Ba'ru is the last bastion
             of life so once leave that area it will be weeks of travel.

         From Kiet: [Re: Actions]
           Kiet sets his face with a dispassionate look.  "As I said...
         GM: Ack.

         From Z'leyra: [Re: Actions]
           In response Z'leyra says "How much gear are you talking...
         GM: Ack.

         From Kiet: [Re: Actions]
           Most of us are not "Friend of Zen'da People"...so I doubt they
           would loan us horses.  In a barbarian culture...?  One that
           lives on the plains and NEEDS its horses?  I just don't see
           it

           Dec25 afternoon- Go to usual place and set up as before.
           EL4 or max purification for Knowledge spell EL3 or ...
         GM: Ack. Z'leyra and Unali are Friends of Zen'da.  I believe
             Fremea was around in adventure 2?  Just did a search for Ti'u
             Kelom the passes given by Cetric.  Seems Z has one on sheet
             but none others.  Unless it was typed wrong (used keyword
             search for that name). But as I say Caladan or Chion could
             help in that regard.  Spells cut off for ease of reading.
             You posted that to list and not email?  Is that your IBT?

         From Kiet: [Re: Actions]
           "I don't have a large amount of extra gear.  I prefer to...

           OOC...I keep pretty close accounting of the weight the horse
           carries. With my armor and weapons I'm less than ten pounds
           away from slowing the horse down.

           "If you have any spare sacks, it might be enough to remove...
         GM: Ack.  You did great on the gear.  But yeah doing 1 horse
             will hinder things for you guys.  Not for me. :)  Except
             for work doing the math up.

         From John: [Re: Maps]
           OOC: Hill terrain as listed on PnP maps are considered mountains
           by most modern sources, the Map Book listing Hill terrain as
           being between 2,000 to 6,000 feet in elevation. The length of
           the Appalachian Trail would be considered Hills in PnP as well
           as parts of the Sierra Nevada range, for example. Trying to
           cross some of these ranges in winter would  be difficult, even
           with a proper trail.
         GM: Ack. I've always not adhered to that for hills.  To me it's
             more small foothills.  Something like Ireland is famous for.
             Not really mountains.  So travel on them is not a big issue
             for most things.  In my universe.

         From David: [Re: Maps]
           Here in Oregon we have a mountain that sees snow at the 4-5000
           foot range only in the dead of winter...2-4000 foot will get it
           only occasionally.  Only above the 6k foot level does it
           really, really snow (at higher elevations they have snow year
           'round).  So, in my experience, there would likely be but
           little hinderance from that kind of weather.
         GM: Ack.

         From Z'leyra: [Re: Actions]
           The Kameran is forest, hills and mountainous terrain. While not
           as far north as the Helva or Ipanza it is still fairly far north
           and will have fairly severe winters. I live in central Alaska,
           I know winter. Our family raised horses. Horses will have a
           hard enough time getting through  the snow without trying to
           drag a wagon or a sleigh behind them. Indeed if party members
           knew skiing or snowshoeing I would recommend using those
           instead. Yes, a sleigh could work fine in the snow covered
           plains south of the River Dirlla, in Zen'da lands. If there
           were roads a sleigh could even work in the forest and hills...
           but without roads a sleigh would be more trouble than its
           worth. Don't even consider a wagon in snow deeper than knee
           deep.
         GM: Ack. You guys consider snow/mud to be issue for horses and
             wagons.  This is true.  But in a pbem there is limited time
             and I can't just stop every day and deal with mud or snow.
             So I've not pushed this stuff forward into the game.

         From Mark: [RE: Weather]
           Here in Colorado, there is Pikes Peak outside (roughly) my
           house. It rises 8000 feet higher at its point than the base,
           the base is ~6000 ft above sea level, the peak at ~14,000.
           These are mountains, the Appalachian Trail is hills, not
           mountains.  Not saying it is easy without a trail, but far
           easier than the mountains here.  There is no crossing 
without a true pass or canyon.

           Below 6000 ft, the snow is very light.  Between 6000 and 8000,
           more. Above that, well it can be nothing to a huge drop of
           snow.  There is a lot less oxygen at this elevation.

           I see them as hills, and they may get light snow but shouldn't
           be bad.  Unless there is a blizzard, that does happen.  Either
           way, still hills and not true mountains.
         GM: Ack.  Here in Florida we have mountains we call them skyscrapers.
             For hills we call them highway overpasses.  IT does get cold
             here in Jax though it snowed flakes last year once.  I do have
             a cabin in pidgeon forge, Tenn which is on a mountain but
             to me its a big hill as its only about a 10  min climb up via
             a car/road.  Sometimes clouds though are in the valley below
             so we are high up.

         From Mark: [Re: Weather]
           So it will be cold. With some snow likely, but no real idea how
           much. Could be nothing for a light winter, or a lot if there was
           just a blizzard.   So where are we at deciding?

           Logistics?

           1. No wagon or sled.   We all agree on that.
              Horses - take or not?   Ride or go on foot?
         GM: Ack. I use my weather charts/project files that are online
             for weather.  I don't take it overaly complex though.
             Just takes time if you bog it down in a pbem.  As to logistics
             maybe we'll finally get them settled after 2 weeks.

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       [New Stuff]

           [Decalis 25th, 1634TH]

           [Cholan's Tavern]
           [Time: 8:02 am]

             Z'leyra mentions that, "I am skilled at making containers that
           hold more than one would expect. Indeed I think that I can make
           a large bag that would hold 75 pounds, almost two bales of hay.
           Hopefully small enough to be tied behind a saddle. But after
           enchanting it should hold seven bales of hay. At no extra
           weight nor size. If filled with grain two should be more than
           enough for the party's horses. Between making and enchanting
           bags and doing Foyson theft and making waybread I will be
           fairly busy till we leave. I expect that I will also make,
           enchant and sell an item to pay for expenses."

             The Chief constable looks at Z'leyra, "I suspect there are
           no expenses once enter the plains.  So two sacks which can
           you say hold 75?  So 150 pounds of grain.   My math shows
           that would be enough for 2 days of travel.  Then what?  Or
           is my math wrong?  What about the other weeks of travel?"

             Oh that is a neat skill to have!  If only Kell had that
           ability years ago, he may need to ask Z'leyra more about it.
           "That is amazing and can really make the trip better!  Can you
           make three of the bags to hold their food, in case one is
           stolen?"

             "Now what is our route?  I am very happy to travel north to
           and through Ba'ru. It's been a while since I've been home.  If
           we travel there we can easily resupply at less cost, I know a
           few people up there." He grins as he thinks of Ba'ru and maybe
           seeing his family and friends and former master too.

             "I say we travel north to Ba'ru, then either take a ferry
           across the sea (as it's called at home) or ride north.  Taking
           the ferry puts us on the west side so we have one less river
           to cross later.  Why don't we skip using magic for the whole
           party, just go chat with Cetric then we ride north."

             To Kiet, "We can find a good horse together!  But if we are
           going through Ba'Rual, I want to spend at least a week at home.
           You and anyone else who desires is more than welcome to join
           me.  We will be the advanced party and have a great time!"
           Grinning again thinking of spending around a week in his home.

             The new guys look interested but they have been tasked to
           more or less watch Z'leyra so leaving would be bad for
           their jobs.

             Fuk looks to Kell, "I agree best bet is to send horses
           up the west side.  Forging the river is easy for people
           but horses not so.  Good plan on that part."

             Kiet sets his face with a dispassionate look.  "As I said
           before... " His voice is as even as he can make it, then
           continues.  "...I bought my horse for a reason, and I need a
           second one to carry my gear. I cannot carry everything on Ma
           Siwang...it overburdens her."

             Kiet thinks about it for a bit, then says "The Zen'da horses
           are unlikely suited to my needs."

             Lucria sits back and crosses his arms, "I know many good
           Zen'da horses are for speed and combat. Since the people
           are nomadic they do not need much stuff to take.  So you
           may be right on how much those ponies can take."

             In response Z'leyra says. "How much gear are you talking
           about? Can it be fit inside one of the magic bags I will make?
           The problem with bringing more horses is keeping them fed and
           watered. Indeed, I am tempted to have us board our horses at a
           stable, likely Ben'Dar's, and go on foot from Cetric's camp
           where we can be teleported to. The Kameran is certainly not a
           place I would take a wagon in winter, bad enough taking horses."

             Fuk looks stunned, "so we are now saying this will be on
           foot and ...magic?  No horses.  What if we get lost in
           the Kameran and ...have to flee.  Fleeing tribes in the
           hills or forest will be dangerous without horses.  But we
           can certainly do it by foot.  It would save time if we use
           this magic.  It would save a few weeks travel for sure.
           But we must consider being surrounded by possible hostile
           forces   Course some would be risky with a wagon."

             Kiet turns to Z'leyra, "I don't have a large amount of extra
           gear.  I prefer to travel lightly.  But it's enough to stress
           the warhorse."

             "If you have any spare sacks, it might be enough to remove
           my need for a pack horse.  However, food for the horses is not
           a problem for me.  Still, one horse to care for is much easier
           than two!"

             "And I do not understand the hesitation to enter hills with a
           horse. Sure, we might find areas where we need to walk and lead
           the horses,  but even in the winter it won't be difficult for
           the horses.  It's not mountains!  Those I wouldn't even consider
           doing in the winter, especially with a horse."

             Kes walks away with his son as no one seems to care they are
           around and goes to feed him.

           Actions? Comments?

           Next Update....Monday..

           GM: Another short update.  I started this at 1:30 and it's
               now 5:30.  It took those 4 hours to catch up on the new
               posts that came in.  Didn't even do new stuff until
               like 5pm.  So new posts at this time slows things down
               but do take time. :<  Right now just waiting on logistics
               so I can start IBTs.  Now Z has said could just teleport
               the entire way.  Keep in mind comments above.  This
               will also mean folks will not learn Kameran language
               on the trip.  Even more things to consider.  Plus
               any possible treasure or dead bodies from the
               adventure. :)  Once details are done will start IBTs.

           GM: Logistics still not finalized.  I know many are waiting.
               At this point it is 100% in Z'leyra's hands.

               I covered it the last 2 updates but I'll do it again.

               * Wagon/Sleds
               * Horses
               * Route
               * Advance parties?
               * Teleporting sops
               * Help from others as outlined in last 2 updates

               I outlined what I'd do in last update and some did
               have same ideas at least.

           GM: Ferry - Will be few and rare on the river.  Might be
                 day or days before a barge comes up that far into
                 Zen'da lands.  It will be very difficult for horses
                 to cross so keep this in mind.  Once across it will
                 be easy travel.  Why suggested advance party on west
                 side of river.

               Wagon - Mud/Snow to me will NOT be a factor this adventure.
                 Cold will be for players and horses.  But not to
                 moving.  I just figure it would bog things too much.
                 I figure getting around such things or with skills
                 is too easy to solve such obstacles.

               Horses - So far its been said 1 horse which will hinder
                 gear loads.  Keep in mind slowest horse means fastest
                 speed.  If I recall 3 were encumbered which meant another
                 horse.  So if 1 horse per person is needed it means those
                 folks will have to leave gear.

               Water - Water will be a factor but not mud.  I will
                 have to figure out water requirements for each set
                 of horse and person.  I was rather lenient on this
                 last time but there were towns and such on the way
                 not this time.  Villages might help with water but
                 wells might be limited.  I do not have math on this
                 until I know what horses are being taken.  Plus
                 time of trip.

               Food - Again hunting and player rations are no issue
                 at all.  It will be for horses.  Assuming 3 fp per
                 horse per horse this is 30 fp per day.  At least
                 2 weeks travel  So needing 420 fp.  Grazing will be
                 possible but it will range from 0-3(maybe 4) fp
                 per day so might only average 1.5.  This was
                 all documented in food charts last leg of travel.
                 This is why several almost died.  So if one depends
                 on grazing then let's say 2 fp per day.  That is 280
                 fp.  So 280-420 for just 2 weeks of travel.  This does
                 not include travel back but can be dealt with TPing?
                 One bag is 10 pounds of grain for 10 fp.  So you are
                 talking 280-420 - 28 to 42 bags at least.  This means
                 280-420 pounds.  So the bags will hold 75 right? So
                 this would need 4-6 bags of JUST grain.  Oats and
                 Hay not included.  This means 1 bag per person would be
                 needed less gear per horse.  This logistic is critical
                 to travel sadly.  If no wagon then Fremea will have
                 to fly all that distance or buy a horse just to ride.

           GM: IBT Details: [Dec 25 - Jan 7 (Leave Jan 8)]

                   Player      IBT Sent in    Processed
                 Arawn             No            -
                 Fremea            No            -
                 Kell              Yes [#1]    Pending, Waiting on logistics
                 Kiet              YeS? [#2]  -Pending, Waiting on logistics
                 Unali             No            -
                 Pyan              No            -
                 Z'leyra           Yes? [#3]   Pending
                 Chief             No, waiting on logistics            -
                 lucria            No, waiting on logistics            -

           GM:  I started a Ship Project many years ago.  Everything
                pnp needs on ships.  I was stalled on construction.
                But I think I solved it with a good set of formula.
                So I will try to restart and finish.  Its 90% done
                with documents already done from encounters, NMIS,
                and the like.  If anyone wants to beta test the
                info let me know.  Just have to finish construction
                and combat (easy).

           GM: Distances:

               Sivas to Village by Land:

                  Path                     Hexes  Distance
                Sivas to Maren [Road]       12      240 miles
                Maren to Cholchara [Road]    9      180 miles
                Road to Marentia Fort        3.5     70 miles
                  Option-to Ba'ru City       3       60 miles
                Fort to Village [Plain]     21      420 miles
                  Option: Ba'ru to Village  23      460 miles

                Total: 910-950Miles depending on Ba'ru visit

               Sivas to Village by water

                River to Village            31      620 miles
                River to Village             5      100 miles

                Total: 720 Miles

               Village to Kameran border (roughly)

                Zen'da Plains to Border     43      860 miles

               These are rough estimates and I may be off a few
               hexes. These are various options.

               So let's say ship wagon/horses by barge up river.
               So let's assume a simple barge doing 10-20 miles
               per day.  Might even do more with good winds.  Let's
               assume 15 on average.  That's 40 days.  Ok.  So shipping
               ahead of time may not be a good option. :)

               How about going to Ba'ru and getting supplies there?
               Wagons? Horses?  That is the closest large city to
               the village.  If prepare is done at start of IBT and
               say a person ships those items (wagon/horses from Ba'ru)
               to village then would need only cross 460 miles.
               At 25 per day would be 19 days.  Almost in the IBT
               time period.

               As GM I'm only trying to cover options.  You guys have
               to do some serious logistics to decide.  Mainly the
               horses and/or wagon/food.  To fit within the 2 weeks.
               Above there are some option as well.  Chion if in town
               could be swayed to help as he could probably teleport
               2-3 wagons in one jump.









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