[pnpgm] Game Update #104 - File #792 - Party leaves Fair grounds

Wed Jul 14 08:35:40 CEST 2010

Fremea has been listening as they ride along to the exchange between Kiet and Raban. Finally she leans out the window a to make sure they both can hear her. "So, Raban, such compassion for those that had not yet harmed you, yet were wanting to. I do understand your thinking and I only made the suggestion because almost nothing works better to get even enemies on your side than to get them thinking the other guy did it. I do believe that the Katai boy would not have been any threat to us really, even if we let him go at the fair grounds, it was more to get the Katai to be even angrier at the Vong. Maybe it wouldn't have worked anyway. As for revenge circles, what if someone did a powerful thing to you that was wrong? Would those people deserve your compassion? What if they killed or took away your most important loved ones? Do they not deserve justice, but is that not revenge too? I only ask these things because there is no black or white to any situation." Fremea pauses for a couple of seconds, "I do agree that most of these people in Katai do not deserve to die, they just don't know any other way at this time. Yet if they were to attack, I would not hesitate to put them down. I do apologize if I seem harsh."

> From: dasandersx at comcast.net
> To: pnpgm at abroere.xs4all.nl
> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:57:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: [pnpgm] Game Update #104 - File #792 - Party leaves Fair grounds
> 
> Kiet smiles up at the big lug and pats him on the arm, "You have a big heart 
> my friend, much larger in proportion to normal men than is even your frame. 
> But remember, they are your enemies...and not all enemies will sit down and 
> play nice.  Some must simply be removed.  And we don't have, currently, the 
> means by which to take care of prisoners.  Unless someone wants to drop them 
> into oblivion..."
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Hooten" <jhooten at windstream.net>
> To: "PBEM List" <pnpgm at abroere.xs4all.nl>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [pnpgm] Game Update #104 - File #792 - Party leaves Fair 
> grounds
> 
> 
> >  Raban replies, "But Kiet, if you have captured them, then killing them
> > is wrong as you are acting just like they are. You are killing them
> > because they are different, because they do not like you, or whatever.
> > It becomes the same thing! All you do is prove they were right to fear
> > you. Revenge begets revenge until there is nothing else. You must break
> > the cycle by being better than they are, be smarter and do what is right
> > instead."
> >
> >   "I am not saying what they do it right, but it is their laws and
> > until they are shown better ways they cannot change it. They do not even
> > know they are using the same magic they have outlawed to hunt the magic.
> > But somewhere they know this is true and those are the ones who need to
> > be dealt with if you want to change things. But until then every mage
> > that fights back feeds the fear and is used to prove to the masses how
> > evil they are. It only takes a few people with the skills to manipulate
> > crowds to fan such fear to the frenzy they need to maintain power. Those
> > same people will also manufacture the evidence they need if you do not
> > supply it for them. This fight with the Vong will become demons summoned
> > by evil mages and defeated by noble Katai forces. If the family does not
> > act correctly, they will become casualties instead of rescued victims
> > simply to make the story better. That is what we are working against
> > here. Every town will have some 'Eyes' and a 'Voice' whose job is to
> > spot decent and to fix it with whatever means is needed. Mages are the
> > scapegoats kindly supplied by your masters that give katai a reason to
> > obey their leaders. If someone speaks out they are possessed by some
> > mage's demon or otherwise corrupted and the people believe them because
> > they have heard of real mages or seen them or know someone who did. If
> > mages did not visit, the boogeman stories would loose force and become
> > just stories to frighten children. Then maybe the people would see
> > things are not right and someday have a chance to overthrow their
> > oppressors."
> >   "Yeah, I know that sounds silly coming from me. But cities where we
> > come from do have such people too. Criminal Lords or Bad Nobles, both
> > rule by keeping the people from turning on them. They mislead and pass
> > the blame on others. Travelers are often the scapegoats used, they are
> > often punished for others crimes. It is easier to believe a stranger
> > committed the crimes than someone they know. Even when they know the
> > truth they can fool themselves for a little while that way. But those
> > that live that way can be defeated in the same manner. Use another
> > 'Voice' to spread the truth until the people think they thought of it or
> > spotted the lies themselves..."
> >
> > <still a bit much for Raban?
> >
> > On 7/13/2010 9:50 PM, Schnockel wrote:
> >> Kiet ponders this for only a short time.  "Raban, I've been to Katai
> >> already.  This is where I learned magic.  What they did to my master
> >> was simply criminal.  Harming a person simply for using magic?
> >> Threatening to kill or imprison us?  It'd be almost funny except that
> >> it's tragic.  Funny that they waste mundane forces to seek to capture
> >> magicians?"
> >>
> >> "Where we go we normally would follow their laws...but here, their
> >> laws outlaw us simply for existing!"
> >>
> >> "I'm not saying you are wrong, just that different people think
> >> differently on the topic.  If someone tries to harm me or those I am
> >> sworn to protect, I will not limit myself to simply convincing them to
> >> stop...I may simply chose to 'force' them to stop because I know that
> >> dead, they will most certainly stop.  Like we did with these Vong.  I
> >> see no particular difference between the Vong and those Katai that
> >> would hunt us down."
> >>
> >> "I don't seek to kill, but won't hesitate to do so should it be
> >> necessary."
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hooten" <jhooten at windstream.net>
> >> To: "PBEM List" <pnpgm at abroere.xs4all.nl>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [pnpgm] Game Update #104 - File #792 - Party leaves Fair
> >> grounds
> >>
> >>
> >>> <Skills- Improve horsemanship, make replacement arrows (since his are
> >>> larger than normal)
> >>>
> >>> <Before leaving the grounds it would be a good idea to cast healing.
> >>> Since many are low on Mana, Raban may need to do it himself.
> >>>
> >>>   Raban smiles as he thanks Chion, "I was arguing with myself on
> >>> whether I would need to prevent a 'murder' when you took care of it
> >>> first."
> >>>   He continues seriously, "Killing in self defense is allowed but
> >>> killing a helpless person is wrong! We did not know enough about his
> >>> situation to judge his fate properly. Here, most his actions were not
> >>> crimes, so how could we impose Laws he knows nothing about! If we
> >>> started killing people because they follow different Laws we will never
> >>> stop doing so, so we need to look to our own souls and kill only when it
> >>> is needed."
> >>>  Raban frowns sadly, "I do not want to tell a story about the Great
> >>> Heroes who saved the World only to become a Worse threat to it. Save the
> >>> World because it needs saving, not so you can Rule it or Plunder it
> >>> yourselves! DO not become a Monster as bad or worse than that you face,
> >>> it is far too easy to do so!"
> >>>
> >>> _______________________
> >
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