<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think when I was running my P&P world using a home-brew system, they way I played it is that the Elf’s Empathy added to their stealth. We viewed it as as sort of like the Forest “Helped” the elf hide, by drooping branches, tightening up bushes, leaves flashing out so as to provide more cover, etc. Thus the use of Empathy<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now P&P core does not have stealth, or a corresponding notice skill. One could assume that “Stealth” is a skill that everyone has, and is basically Agility for any task roles (multiplied by the difficulty modifier), and the noticing of a stealthy target is based on Int (perception, knowing what to look for). In this case, an elf in the forest adds Empathy to both their Agility to be sneaky, AND their Int when looking for sneaking targets (the forest helps there as well, by rustling branches, etc).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If people have added an actual Stealth and Notice skill, add Empathy if it is an “or 80” skill or Em/5 for normal skills.<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Thomas O. Magann Jr. <<a href="mailto:tmagann@earthlink.net" class="">tmagann@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Folks, while in some game systems Elves are magically invisible in forests, in most they just have the same Stealth Skills any human might. The question is: How good is the elf at hiding?<br class=""><br class="">Or, to answer the original question: With my eyes, if they're young, or With a Detect Hidden Spell, if they're old. <br class=""><br class="">In P&P they may not be invisible. It depends, like so much, on their stats, which are experienced based. An average Elf, starting out, only have about a 22% chance of going unnoticed. <br class=""><br class="">Don't give them too much credit. By the time your characters are dealing with the older ones, either you're skilled(and older, yourself) or you're in deep mulch.<br class=""><br class="">Also, simply because their ability IS magical, they may be sloppy. Branches force out of true, foot prints on the ground, etc. All the things Stealth wouldn't leave, invisibility does.<br class=""><br class="">Look for the things they forget to conceal, because they assume you can't see them, so why bother?<br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">From: Scott Adams <<a href="mailto:longshotgm@comcast.net" class="">longshotgm@comcast.net</a>><br class="">Sent: Aug 17, 2017 4:22 PM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org" class="">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a><br class="">Subject: [PnP] Elf Hiding<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">You don't see an Elf Hiding in the Forest. They are real good at <br class=""></blockquote>that kind of stuff.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">;)<br class="">Tom<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">YEah but it seems way too arbitary. So if a Elf is 2 feet away in <br class="">front of you you just don't see him? Just too easy.<br class="">The rules elaborate details but it seems a weird thing. So Elf and <br class="">Hunter compete to hide.<br class="">They should have good skills. But this elf hiding thing seems like <br class="">almost a automatic<br class="">than a chance.<br class=""><br class="">Mechanically at least.<br class="">I understand the basic idea.<br class=""><br class="">Just think the rule on this could be tweaked. I never got to <br class="">thinking on it till recently.<br class="">Was curious if folks tweaked this skill/rule/mechanic.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">pnp mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org" class="">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a><br class="">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">pnp mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org" class="">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a><br class="">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>