<head><style>body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}</style></head><body><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">In General, 'Fire Powers" is a specific Family of spells (and doesn't include all firespells) and anything that protects against that family wouldnt' have effectagainst similar spells from outside the family.<br><br>HOWEVER: the fine print on Smokeless Flame specifies that it doesn't affect certain elder creatures nor anyone o anything with innate Fire Powers. So...what's the rest fot he quote? If we're talking about a Jinn, ifreet or Fire Elemental, they're specifically immune. If we're talking about something that has Fire Powers, also specifically immune.<br><br>However, if we're talking about a device that grants immunity..that depends onthe divice. One way to amke one is to use FirePowers and Perm Magic to make an immunity device. I'd say then, that yes, that's close enough to innate Fire Powers, but not everyone would agree. If we're talking about some sort of Natural magic, then, again, source might affect things. If it's conferring immunity because the creature it came from has Fire Powers, then, again, yes. However, if it's a plant with special properties, may not.<br><br><br>In general, this specific spell seems closely enough related to Fire Powers, based on it's write up, that I'd error in favor of immunity in most cases. But, again, that's me. <br><br>All of the above is for Smokeless Flame. It wouldnt' apply to, sayAstral Fire or the Hell Powers version of Fire Darts (which is Hell Powers, NOT Fire Powers)<br><br></font></font></font><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"><dasandersx@comcast.net><pnp@list.powersandperils.org><br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead><zzzmeta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></zzzmeta></zzzhead><zzzbody dir="auto"><div>When a creature has included in its description "...<span style="font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 12pt; ">cannot be </span><span style="font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 12pt; ">affected by Fire Powers...", does that include Smokeless Flame? Technically SF is not part of Fire Powers.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 12pt; ">Thanx!</span></div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div></zzzbody></zzzhtml></pnp@list.powersandperils.org></dasandersx@comcast.net></blockquote></body>