<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I would probably scale the casting cost to some degree.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>When creating perm magics, the final MDV of the piece should always be applied on the roll -- high power items should ALWAYS be a rough task.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Obviously, each subsequent enchanting creates a cumulative chance of failure or abysmal. I would, at a minimum, charge DOUBLE mana and 50% more MDV (for resisting the roll) for anything that is immune to a class (immune to fireball is a single, immune to fire is a class), and perhaps TRIPLE mana with DOUBLE MDV difficulty for total immunity.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><div><div>On Jan 21, 2008, at 1:11 PM, john haight wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> What if you are trying to create a Total Immunity item? The book gives rules for EL's for that but says nothing about enchanting it with a 'Total' effect?</div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> Also, what about creating something that manifests a 'Special Attribute' effect? How would you create that?<br><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: J Hooten <<a href="mailto:jhooten@binary.net">jhooten@binary.net</a>><br>To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <<a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a>><br>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:03:02 PM<br>Subject: Re: [PnP] Perm Magics...how...?<br><br>I thought the Ensorcelment needed to be at the spell El or higher to work.<br>And if you think about it, its a good rule even if it didn't say that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>since it acts as a limiter.<br>But using the lower El does that as well so there is not really much<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>difference.<br><br>Alex Koponen wrote:<br>> As both a Ref and as a player whose character has made such items I've<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> had Permanent Magics Ensorcelment spell being the base spell cast<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> together with Luck to make a Luck item. The lower of the two ELs<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> determines the effective Luck of the item, the higher determines the MDV.<br>><br>> Attribute Effect is effectively an Enchantment of an item to enhance (or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> limit) an attribute of the character that will wear the item. Also see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Book 4 magic items...limits item to 3 attributes.<br>><br>> While I haven't made or GMd an Attraction item I'd suspect that it would<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> also be an enchantment of the attractive aspect of the item (at first<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> guess). Dedication seems reasonable to add to it.<br>><br>> Schnockel wrote:<br>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> How does a magic user create items with 'Attraction' or 'Attribute<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Effect's...heck, or even 'Luck'?<br>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> I don't know which Perm Magic would be used for such things...I would<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> presume attraction is similar to dedication...so it might as well be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> that easy. I can't really see Luck being created only by players with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> the luck spell, because then the EL of the spell might be different<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> than the EL of the item. I can't find anywhere that mentions<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> modifiers to attributes for permanent magics...and that's the one I'm<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> most interested in.<br>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Any suggestions...ideas...<br>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> pnp mailing list<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> pnp mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>pnp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div></div><br><hr size="1">Looking for last minute shopping deals?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping">Find them fast with Yahoo! 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