<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I would say ensorcellment, with a difficulty based on CTL/10 rounded down (added to roll). determine skill points required to the desired level (not greater than the wizard's own) and divide by 20 -- this is the added Mana required for the spell matrix.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>While the item is properly 'used' (a sword in hand, an amulet worn, a throne sat upon, etc) the user has access to the skill at the provided level.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><div><div>On Jan 21, 2008, at 1:18 PM, john haight wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As an add on to my questions earlier, what would creation rules be for creating a 'Knowledge' item that grants a skill level?<br><br><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Burton Choinski <<a href="mailto:bchoinski@comcast.net">bchoinski@comcast.net</a>><br>To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <<a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a>><br>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:46:21 AM<br>Subject: Re: [PnP] Perm Magics...how...?<br><br>I think that is a very good limiter...the matrix created can only hold <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>so much spell.<br><br>I use a similar limiter for fighting on horseback -- horsemanship EL <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>is the limiter for mounted combat.<br><br><br>On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:03 PM, J Hooten wrote:<br><br>> I thought the Ensorcelment needed to be at the spell El or higher to <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> work.<br>> And if you think about it, its a good rule even if it didn't say that<br>> since it acts as a limiter.<br>> But using the lower El does that as well so there is not really much<br>> difference.<br>><br>> Alex Koponen wrote:<br>>> As both a Ref and as a player whose character has made such items <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> I've<br>>> had Permanent Magics Ensorcelment spell being the base spell cast<br>>> together with Luck to make a Luck item. The lower of the two ELs<br>>> determines the effective Luck of the item, the higher determines <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> the MDV.<br>>><br>>> Attribute Effect is effectively an Enchantment of an item to <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> enhance (or<br>>> limit) an attribute of the character that will wear the item. Also <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> see<br>>> Book 4 magic items...limits item to 3 attributes.<br>>><br>>> While I haven't made or GMd an Attraction item I'd suspect that it <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> would<br>>> also be an enchantment of the attractive aspect of the item (at first<br>>> guess). Dedication seems reasonable to add to it.<br>>><br>>> Schnockel wrote:<br>>><br>>>> How does a magic user create items with 'Attraction' or 'Attribute<br>>>> Effect's...heck, or even 'Luck'?<br>>>><br>>>> I don't know which Perm Magic would be used for such things...I <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> would<br>>>> presume attraction is similar to dedication...so it might as well be<br>>>> that easy. I can't really see Luck being created only by players <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> with<br>>>> the luck spell, because then the EL of the spell might be different<br>>>> than the EL of the item. I can't find anywhere that mentions<br>>>> modifiers to attributes for permanent magics...and that's the one <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> I'm<br>>>> most interested in.<br>>>><br>>>> Any suggestions...ideas...<br>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> pnp mailing list<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> pnp mailing list<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> pnp mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>pnp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl" ymailto="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br><a href="http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp" target="_blank">http://abroere.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a><br></div><br></div></div><br><hr size="1">Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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