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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have to chime in that I think the "labor cost" method, as used in the GURPS building construction rules that I adapted for Wout's site is the most accurate way to figure this out. It would, as a research project, involve several steps:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>1) Determine the types of laborers required (Foresters, for raw timber, carpenters and shipwrites (sp?) for construction, sailmakers for rope and sail, etc). Determine the basic pay per day of labor.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>2) Find some baseline ship for your modeling. If you have the data for several ships, all the better as you can make a more accurate model. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>3) For each ship determine the quantity of raw materials (lumber). Determine time in man-days to produce the raw materials and multiply by the gatherer cost (foresters). </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>4) Determine the number of man-days to build the model of ship, based on quantity of lumber going into it. Multiply this by some fudge factor to reflect shipyard quality and vessel quality (degree of ornamentation or craftsmanship). You need to figure this one out, Scott. Obviously, certain shipyard cities will get the job done faster. Raw build cost is labor cost times number of man-days. Increase this labor cost by 25% for every factor of 5 man days to represent overseers and other overhead (i.e. +25% for 5 or more, +50% for 25 or more, +75% for 125 or more, etc). </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>5) Determine man-days to produce the rigging (if any) or ors (carpentry).</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>6) Construction time is limited by ship size. Assume no more than 5 men per 10' length+width+depth (Thus, a 50' long by 10' wide by 10' deep warship is limited to 35 men of work per day -- you cant pile on a thousand men to finish it in an hour). </FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>NOTE: Time in step 6 may need to be tweaked -- the 5 per 10' was just a number off the top of my head. You man need to look at historical models to determine a better number.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Scott Adams [<A HREF="mailto:longshot@cybermax.net">mailto:longshot@cybermax.net</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:22 PM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: [PnP] Help...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Still working on my ship supplement but thinking ahead I could use some help.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Ship construction shouldn't be a big issue. The big issue will be costs in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>terms of build costs or final ship buying costs. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I could tackle it various ways from collection of all parts (anchors, wood,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ropes, oars, etc.) to form a final price. Or I could use a basic system</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>based on 80-90% of most ships the wood/hull. Based on a simple area of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>wood or one piece of wood figure out size and then determine a hull prices</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>then buy other gear for it. Etc. If anyone knows of any good web</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>suggestiosn in this area let me know. or house rules or such. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I could even decompile a price like price of Trireme and work DOWN from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>there and decompile the price and other aspects from a final price.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On a SIDE note. Richard or anyone..</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Serpent Women - </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>1) The regeneration is this regenerted for the next phase the damage or is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in your gmae over a full phase after or set number of phases? Just curious.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2) The change from serpent to women is one phase or is there a house rule</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>anyone come up with? Richard?</FONT>
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