From dasandersx at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 16:00:30 2021
From: dasandersx at comcast.net (David Sanders)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 07:00:30 -0700
Subject: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 169, Issue 1
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Floyd,

It?s a very good question.  When crafting a magic item with ensorcellment, giving it a Power, typically the Permanent Magic spell provides enough mana to work a few times a day.  With Named items, which should always be created with a significant liability, there are other options.  Usually, if the item needs mana and the character has none, it starts draining energy level.  With this magic system in PnP, mana and energy level are tied together.

A lot depends on how the item is created and the perverse nature of your GM.  I would tell a player making such an item to provide the steps used and then, when the item is finished, eventually tell them what they actually created.

Items like this have the ability to totally unbalance a game, so a GM should be mighty careful introducing them to a campaign.  And the players should be mighty careful in using it.

Dave

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> When a magic item has one or more powers, where are the mana points expended from to cast the spell? From the user of the item? I recently rolled up a named item which was plate armor. Mostly likely, a non-magic user would wear this so the character wouldn?t have a lot of mana.
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From floyd.resler at maccrafters.com  Thu Jul  1 17:27:35 2021
From: floyd.resler at maccrafters.com (Floyd Resler)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 11:27:35 -0400
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David,

Thanks for the insight.  The named item I rolled up is very powerful. It got the Fire Powers family of spells. So, it?s capable of casting a 6d10 fireball spell! With your insight, I think I can craft a good history and a substantial liability that won?t overbalance a game.

Thanks!
Floyd

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:00 AM, David Sanders <dasandersx at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Floyd,
> 
> It?s a very good question.  When crafting a magic item with ensorcellment, giving it a Power, typically the Permanent Magic spell provides enough mana to work a few times a day.  With Named items, which should always be created with a significant liability, there are other options.  Usually, if the item needs mana and the character has none, it starts draining energy level.  With this magic system in PnP, mana and energy level are tied together.
> 
> A lot depends on how the item is created and the perverse nature of your GM.  I would tell a player making such an item to provide the steps used and then, when the item is finished, eventually tell them what they actually created.
> 
> Items like this have the ability to totally unbalance a game, so a GM should be mighty careful introducing them to a campaign.  And the players should be mighty careful in using it.
> 
> Dave
> 
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>> When a magic item has one or more powers, where are the mana points expended from to cast the spell? From the user of the item? I recently rolled up a named item which was plate armor. Mostly likely, a non-magic user would wear this so the character wouldn?t have a lot of mana.
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From longshotgm at comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 01:34:01 2021
From: longshotgm at comcast.net (Scott Adams)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 19:34:01 -0400
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Perverse eh? Snicker :)
Can't wait till you gm! :)



At 10:00 AM 7/1/2021, you wrote:
>Floyd, It???s a very good question.  When 
>crafting a magic item with ensorcellment, giving 
>it a Power, typically the Permanent Magic spell 
>provides enough mana to work a few times a 
>day.  With Named items, which should always be 
>created with a significant liability, there are 
>other options.  Usually, if the item needs mana 
>and the character has none, it starts draining 
>energy level.  With this magic system in PnP, 
>mana and energy level are tied together. A lot 
>depends on how the item is created and the 
>perverse nature of your GM.  I would tell a 
>player making such an item to provide the steps 
>used and then, when the item is finished, 
>eventually tell them what they actually created. 
>Items like this have the ability to totally 
>unbalance a game, so a GM should be mighty 
>careful introducing them to a campaign.  And the 
>players should be mighty careful in using it. 
>Dave Sent from my iPad > On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:00 
>AM, pnp-request at list.powersandperils.org 
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>text/plain;    charset=utf-8 > > When a magic 
>item has one or more powers, where are the mana 
>points expended from to cast the spell? From the 
>user of the item? I recently rolled up a named 
>item which was plate armor. Mostly likely, a 
>non-magic user would wear this so the character 
>wouldn?t have a lot of mana. > > Thanks! > 
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From longshotgm at comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 01:37:25 2021
From: longshotgm at comcast.net (Scott Adams)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 19:37:25 -0400
Subject: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 169, Issue 1
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The document on Magic Laws is a great place to use for background.
Good luck.
Good question.
To me such items like David said should have 
inherent issues.  A 6d10 FB is what..(not looking 
at rules but 60' wide?) I forget.
That'll nuke a room.
So using that in friendly fire is a issue.


At 11:27 AM 7/1/2021, you wrote:
>David, Thanks for the insight.  The named item I 
>rolled up is very powerful. It got the Fire 
>Powers family of spells. So, it???s capable of 
>casting a 6d10 fireball spell! With your 
>insight, I think I can craft a good history and 
>a substantial liability that won???t overbalance 
>a game. Thanks! Floyd > On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:00 
>AM, David Sanders <dasandersx at comcast.net> 
>wrote: > > Floyd, > > It???s a very good 
>question.  When crafting a magic item with 
>ensorcellment, giving it a Power, typically the 
>Permanent Magic spell provides enough mana to 
>work a few times a day.  With Named items, which 
>should always be created with a significant 
>liability, there are other options.  Usually, if 
>the item needs mana and the character has none, 
>it starts draining energy level.  With this 
>magic system in PnP, mana and energy level are 
>tied together. > > A lot depends on how the item 
>is created and the perverse nature of your 
>GM.  I would tell a player making such an item 
>to provide the steps used and then, when the 
>item is finished, eventually tell them what they 
>actually created. > > Items like this have the 
>ability to totally unbalance a game, so a GM 
>should be mighty careful introducing them to a 
>campaign.  And the players should be mighty 
>careful in using it. > > Dave > > Sent from my 
>iPad > >> On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:00 AM, 
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>text/plain;    charset=utf-8 >> >> When a magic 
>item has one or more powers, where are the mana 
>points expended from to cast the spell? From the 
>user of the item? I recently rolled up a named 
>item which was plate armor. Mostly likely, a 
>non-magic user would wear this so the character 
>wouldn?t have a lot of mana. >> >> Thanks! >> 
>Floyd >> >> >> 
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