[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 1: water issue

Bessie Hadley eleabess at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 3 19:08:21 CEST 2016


I would recommend researching the great prairies of Russia & Siberia, as well a the U.S. Google World can provide maps that magnify as much as you want. 

But speaking as one who live in Kansas for 3 years as a teenager, I can say that water should almost always be within 10-30 miles - or at least a stream in every other hex. Residents/natives of the area would know where the water is & where it is not. Unless it is a desert area, then the practical way, to me, who also lived in Arizona during college, is to share that there is almost always water within 3 days horse-ride - but you need to know where it is, and carry plenty of extra if it is hot. I read a lot of Louis L'Amour westerns & learned a lot about survival in the prairies & deserts of the U.S. I also played "Oregon Trail" an educational game for schoolchildren, and they had scouts that knew where the water was, usually streams & rivers (of all sizes, but often shallow enough to cross by wagon).

For the Zenda plains, I would count the # of comparable rivers & lakes that are in Mongolia, Russia & Siberia & match that. Lake (small) 10%, Lake (large) 3%), stream (small) 30-40%, river (small, like large creek, or one that dries in summer) 20-30%, river (large) 10-20%.

These figures might be off, but my guess is that you'll find them relatively accurate, if you check maps. Anyway, they make a start for you,anyway. Of course, it also depends on if they are travelling parallel to or at angles to the lay of the land, since water settles in lower elevations in an area, such as valleys, gullies, ditches, hollows, etc. (hee hee hee)

Hiring natives as guides is always good, if you can trust the local folk. 

Villages? Again, check the maps of the Euro-Asian plains - where there are now villages, towns - there have probably always been. Tribal enmities would dictate how far apart permanent villages would be (no closer than a couple days riding) - temporary villages might be easily within a day's ride, if part of the same clan, altho too close would endanger the plain's recovery from grazing herds (which the natives would be aware of).

This letter has been long enough - can you agree that this is a practical starting point, however? (lol)


Bess L. Hadley 

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 With regard to water sources and super detailing encounter
 tables. I have to say (respectfully) that P&P is a
 fantasy game. Tables abound with info. Ultimately to much
 detail will destroy interest
 ________________________________
 From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
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 Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
 
 At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
 >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
 reasonable
 >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background on
 the tables and
 >the red background behind important and optional
 sections. I don't
 >think that new scans would solve that.
 >Wout
 You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if
 want to.
 I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find more
 before
 fixing it in bulk.
 
 Miinor things like a creature should not be in X terrain.
 
 On a side note.  Anyone do research on water
 sources?  Frequency
 distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
 Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on horse
 needs they
 need water.
 Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
 
 So need to come up with charts for
 * Wells
 * Villages
 * Pond/Lakes
 * Streams
 for water sources.
 Burton did you work on any of this?
 
 So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that sort
 of probability.
 
 
 
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 From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
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 >With regard to water sources and super detailing 
 >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully) 
 >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with 
 >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
 >
 >----------
 Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has 
 far more tables.  I've been in those games where 
 it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for 
 ONE round.  So a player need to decide what they 
 want.  I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of 
 the fantasy systems out there.
 
 As to water..well I solved it.  A certain spell will do
 it very nicely. :)
 
 
 
 
 >From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
 Adams
 >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
 >To: 
 ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
 
 ><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
 Powers and Perils Mailing List
 >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
 >
 >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
 > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
 reasonable
 > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background
 on the tables and
 > >the red background behind important and optional
 sections. I don't
 > >think that new scans would solve that.
 > >Wout
 >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
 if want to.
 >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
 more before
 >fixing it in bulk.
 >
 >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
 terrain.
 >
 >On a side note.  Anyone do research on water
 sources?  Frequency
 >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
 >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
 horse needs they
 >need water.
 >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
 >
 >So need to come up with charts for
 >* Wells
 >* Villages
 >* Pond/Lakes
 >* Streams
 >for water sources.
 >Burton did you work on any of this?
 >
 >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
 sort of probability.
 >
 >
 >
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 The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word intentionally
 is to entertain his players. I agree, Powers & Perils is
 a great game. I repeat again, no need for water tables.
 Better the sound of running water and players startling a
 bear drinking from a pool
 ________________________________
 From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
 Sent: ?03/?10/?2016 17:14
 To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
 
 At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
 >Content-Language: en-GB
 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 >
 >boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
 >
 >With regard to water sources and super detailing
 >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
 >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
 >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
 >
 >----------
 Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
 far more tables.  I've been in those games where
 it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
 ONE round.  So a player need to decide what they
 want.  I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
 the fantasy systems out there.
 
 As to water..well I solved it.  A certain spell will do
 it very nicely. :)
 
 
 
 
 >From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
 Adams
 >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
 >To:
 ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
 ><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
 Powers and Perils Mailing List
 >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
 >
 >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
 > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
 reasonable
 > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background
 on the tables and
 > >the red background behind important and optional
 sections. I don't
 > >think that new scans would solve that.
 > >Wout
 >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
 if want to.
 >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
 more before
 >fixing it in bulk.
 >
 >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
 terrain.
 >
 >On a side note.  Anyone do research on water
 sources?  Frequency
 >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
 >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
 horse needs they
 >need water.
 >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
 >
 >So need to come up with charts for
 >* Wells
 >* Villages
 >* Pond/Lakes
 >* Streams
 >for water sources.
 >Burton did you work on any of this?
 >
 >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
 sort of probability.
 >
 >
 >
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